The Dreaded "Treatment Effect": Losing Weight With Alli

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I weigh one hundred and fifty pounds in a tiny five-foot-two-and-three-eighths body. Yes, I know, fat! This is why I started dieting. Over the past week and a half I've lost five pounds on the Alli plan.

I've always been afraid of weight loss drugs, but I was starting to get desperate, which is why I began the Alli program. At first it worked fine, with no treatment effects.

Treatment effects?

I read the little books that come with the start-up kit to make sure I wouldn't have any side effects. You see, Alli doesn't have "side effects", it has "treatment effects". Basically, if you eat more fat than you're supposed to at any given meal when you've taken a pill, you get "hard-to-control" shit, oily butt leakage, and diarrhea. They give you a meal plan so that you don't risk having treatment effects.

Since I love to cook, I said, "Fuck that shit", and developed some low-fat recipes so that I could still eat good food. I've been coming up recipes for whole wheat blueberry muffins, homemade chili, and tomato cream sauces, all of them low-fat so as to stick to my limit of fifteen grams of fat per meal.

Last Thursday was my first check-in day. I went on to the site and reported that I lost four pounds in my first week without any treatment effects. I submitted my results and the little "congratulations" page came up saying I did a good job for my first week. I was SO happy to know that I used my own recipes and still had great results. I felt like I was living the high life, I was so happy!

I did make frequent trips to the bathroom the whole past week, even if I didn't have to go, just to make sure I wouldn't have any uncontrollable shit episodes. But since my first week was successful, I decided that I must be pretty good at fat and calorie counting, so I decided my bathroom frequenting could come to an end.

I waitress at a little restaurant here in Rhode Island. They make excellent desserts and most of their food is really good; in fact, they serve hundreds of items that are extremely hard to resist. On their "healthy" menu are items like turkey on rye and plain baked scrod. Not really my cup of tea, if you know what I mean.

So it was a Saturday morning. I'd eaten one of my blueberry muffins for breakfast and planned on just getting through work without lunch and eating when I got home. It was only going to be about six hours without food, and I'd gone longer before. However, it was a busy day, I was running around, my stomach was HOWLING around 2:30, and my shift wouldn't be over until five. My manager heard my stomach rip-roaring and basically ORDERED me to eat something.

I decided that tuna is pretty healthy for you, so hey, I'll get a tuna club on multi-grain. It can't have that much fat, can it?

When I think of tuna salad, I think of about five grams of fat. I use low-fat mayo, cut-up celery, and tuna. Pretty basic recipe. Well, my little restaurant sees things differently. What I hadn't looked at was the mayo we use: Sysco, Extra Heavy, Extra Creamy. Fifteen grams of fat per tablespoon, and at least three tablespoons per sandwich. I guess that's why their tuna salad always tasted so much better than mine!

I split the sandwich with a friend and went about my business, still not suspecting that my half of the sandwich had around twenty-five grams of fat. Soon, as I was talking to some of my regular ladies who always order the same thing, I suddenly doubled over and clutched my stomach for dear life. I quickly composed myself and squeaked, "Yeah girls... uh... let me go put that order in for you... don't want to keep you waiting..." and did a gold medal Olympian sprint to the ladies room.

I have a very precise operation when I'm forced to shit at work, but I didn't even bother with my usual routine of getting paper towels to put on the seat. I didn't even take off my apron. I locked the door and slammed my ass on the cold ceramic toilet seat, not even thinking of all the creepy crawlies probably teaming on it, awaiting their next host. All I felt was hot liquid squirting out of my asshole and getting onto my cheeks and the inside of that poor, poor toilet bowl.

I didn't feel "done" for at least five minutes. Liquid just kept coming out, followed by one tiny, baby fist-sized chunk.

It took what felt like three rolls of toilet paper to get my asshole clean of the orange oily shit that was in between my cheeks. While the booklets said "oily", I wasn't expecting what I saw. If you've ever drained the fat from pepperoni slices, you'll know what I'm talking about. This was just orange oil, all floating at the top of the toilet, with my little chunklet sunken deep to the bottom. I felt sick to my stomach just looking at the orange liquid fat and toilet water soup that was in that bowl, and sick to know I'd just sat on that toilet seat.

The lesson of this story: if you're on the Alli diet, you REALLY need to know what you're eating. Please, if not for yourself, do it for the poor damn toilet.

64 Comments on "The Dreaded "Treatment Effect": Losing Weight With Alli"

Thunderbox's picture
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Good report, Lolita. I don`t envy you those kind of stools.

All these "plans" are pretty much useless. All they do is make money for the inventor and manufacturer.

There`s only one way to lose weight properly - a healthy diet and exercise. Cheap and effective. Stop wasting your money.

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Hope you keep a spare apron a work, good story well told. Wonder what's in the pills? - sounds like they'd be great sold at a joke store.

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Alli diet, plan, program, treatment... I am sorry to say this, but Alli is neither of those. The truth is, Alli pills contain a substance that keeps your body from digesting a certain amount of fat. The result is that you experience about the same effect as a person whose gall bladder was removed: if you intake too much fat, then it leaves your body undigested... and immediately. Hence to prevent diarrhea you need to reduce the intake of fat. Of course, by reducing the fat intake you would lose weight no matter if you take the Ally pills or not... So if you keep on eating conscious you don't need those pills.

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Great story Lolita, but you have ruined one of my favorite pastimes.... eating in diners. Now every time I am approached by a slightly chubby waitress, I'll be wondering if she has a hot magma chamber in her intestines that's about to blow. And God forbid I hear a rumble. I'll be under the table faster than the Chief on a steaming roadkill.

Leaky Bowel King's picture
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You know, down south, we don't call girls who wiegh 150 and are only 5'2 3/8" tall fat. You'd be considered thick, and the proper size. Also, the alli diet would NEVER worlk with southern foods. I'd hate to count all the fat that's in our food, which is probably why I suffer from oily discharge every time I shit, and I'm not even on drugs. I just am missing a few organs. Diet pills really are a wasit of money. Instead of fat blocking pills try suppliments and exercise. That's the best route.

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yes i agree great story! and i also agree about those diet programs, once you get off you gain it all back within a month. Best get on a treadmill to keep it off.

ChiliKahKah's picture
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I would guess that this tuna sandwich was a "TO GO ORDER."

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All of you are hilarious, and thanks for the kind words LBK. Also, I'm sad about not eating stuff like fried chicken and gravies and everything.... Like I said, I love to cook, and not using a stick of butter in everything has been tough.

And sorry for ruining your diner experiences from now on PD. Also under the table might not be the best area either... just tuck and roll as if you were trying to put out a clothing fire!

Oh, and the pills say ORLISTAT. I guess I'm retarded, but I thought that was the name of the company... but on this pill case it's saying 60mg of ORLISTAT... hum.

Leaky Bowel King's picture
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You're welcome lolita. Are you sure you're from rhode island because it sure sounds like you do a lot of alabama style cooking to me. I use tons of butter when I cook.

doniker's picture
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"I weigh one hundred and fifty pounds in a tiny five-foot-two-and-three-eighths body"

I would bang you....I've done worse.

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Lolita, you have just received an unbelievably kind comment from Doniker. It is your lucky day, buy a lottery ticket.

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i have a name for this phenomenon: Direct Deposit. Got that from my great aunt who claims to get this condition EVERY time she eats Chinese food. Who knew the digestive tract could be so expedient?

pnuttycorn's picture
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Orlistat, Chitosan, it has several names.
It is derived from shellfish, I'm pretty sure.
And 150 lbs at 5 foot 2? Hunny you ain't fat. I too am from the south, and lemme tell ya, there are some what my hubz refers to as roly-polys,5ft.2 and 200+. Waddlin around like little fat ducks.Don't get me started. I went on a rant the other day. Moderation. One cookie not the whole box. If you're gonna eat pizza, make it the best you can get your hands on, not some fast food shit. It's ok to eat bad, just not everyday, which is what's wrong with America. America is obese because most people's every single meal,(and their kids) is high fat, high calorie processed garbage.
K, gotta stop I'm gettin fired up again.
GOOD LUCK!!!! YOU CAN DO IT!!!!

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You know, pnutty, when I shop for the family it's a chore to buy decent foods that aren't expensive. I may buy half of the grocery order as produce, and that adds up. The other half? Man, try getting a low-sodium soup that isn't expensive. Or frozen item. It's quite hard to feed a family on a budget and purchase decent health choices. In fact, it's somewhat of a skill. In order to just buy decent flour, I can't get unbleached flour in the twenty-five pound sack size. It has to be ten pound sack at the most. And the bleached, crap flours are less expensive. Everything is like that. Maybe many of the fat Americans are just eating what they can afford.

I hate corporate America. Sell us shit cheap, so we get sick, need diabetes medication, so the drug companies have a job. Ugh.

As to Lolita's story, I recently read that the Subway or Quizno's (can't remember) Tuna Sub is the most fattening sub in the market. Weird, isn't it? You would associate tuna with something healthier than the other meat choices.

And Lolita, when you said you use paper towels to line the toilet seat, did you mean actual paper towels? And if so, where do you put them when you've finished? Do you flush them?

I cannot see your name in print without thinking of the South Park where Cartman makes Butters think it's the Apocalypse and hide in a bomb shelter so he can take his spot at Kyle's birthday party. It's that restaurant that he wants to go to. Casa Bonita. Episode 107.


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pnuttycorn's picture
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I know Daphne I know. That's my main gripe is corporate America. I may sound terse at the folks themselves, but I don't mean to. It is corporate America that makes it hard for families to eat healthy. But it's also choices too, at least what I see where I work. You could go buy a bag of baby carrots for 1.29 for a snack and instead they go but a 1.29 bag of friggin Doritos. But I totally agree with you.

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Now we know who the paper towel offender is from corvus' office memo
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Jack Schitt's picture
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pnutty and daphne, I heard on the radio yesterday that experts expect the obesity rate to increase immensely due to the economy and the price of healthy food.


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Jack, I read that in the newspaper a couple of days ago. now Mickey D's is advertising a Double cheeseburger meal for THREE DOLLARS!!!
Shit. What's a girl on her soapbox to do?
Just stomp up and down. And burn off some calories in the process.

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Actually, a report I just heard said that for the first time, obese people now out number overweight people in the US. I'm not sure what the criteria is that distinguishes the two, but I firmly believe corporate America has taken a role in leading us in that direction.

And Pnutty, why do you think they make Cheetos to look exactly like those baby carrots? It has fooled me many a time. Damn those guys.

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Pnutty, I'd like to cyber hug you right now;

(hug time - talk amongst yourselves)

That was nice. I like your perfume.

Now, back to a rather serious track, Lolita, what do you do with the paper towels after you "go"?


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LBK, yes, I'm from RI, but addicted to food network. I started cooking around age 8. (Anything and everything.) And thank you to everyone else who doesn't think I have Drew Carrey's frame! :D

And to everyone who mentioned this: I too fear what is going to happen to America when you can feed your family for $30 by buying high fat and high calorie frozen "Banquet Dinners" for a dollar each as opposed to buying $5-10 of meat just to start one meal.

And Doniker, what do you look like? I too must determine if I've "done worse".

And Daphne, at my restaurant we have these dispensers where you put your hand up, and some towel comes out then you rip it off. It's not as thick as bounty or any napkin type thing. It's really thin and cheap, so I just flush it. It usually falls in the toilet once I get up any ways. (I'm clumsy)

And, I looked up a some stuff from subway. (I'm still doing the Alli diet.) I can eat a 3 slices of Papa John's Pizza before I even DARE try some subway sandwiches. That's pretty fucked up for a place trying to say you can lose weight by eating their sandwiches. I know they have the 6 grams of fat menu, but those sandwiches look fucking gross! And most people would just assume that the other sandwiches are decent because of the commercials, and unknowingly get a sandwich with 30g of fat thinking they were being "healthy".

I think there is a conspiracy. The same guy that owns a lot of the fattening but cheap food companies also owns the obesity drug companies. He's trying to make us all fat on his addictive and deadly food, just so he can give us some addictive and deadly drugs to cure it. (Tell me now if I'm crazy...)

And sorry if you like "Banquet" meals...

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One lady I used to babysit for fed her kids nothing but Banquet meals and fast food. I mean would it really take that long to fix a fuckin decent lunch for your kids and not crap? I do agree with Daphne though that it is hard to feed a family healthily and stay on budget. It just seems to be so much cheaper to buy crap. But I am sure a turkey sandwich and some veggies wouldn't have broken my ladies bank. If she can afford a manicure 3 times a week surely she can afford to feed her kids real food, right? Right?! OK rant over. Damndable Corporate America!
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Leaky Bowel King's picture
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I swear I feel like I'm reading an afroman blog instead of poop report. Fuck the corporate world, buccocc!!! I believe the movie idiocracy sums up the whole corporate world taking over and ruling the country. If you haven't seen it you need to watch it. My diet is similar to the alli diet. It's called the "I don't have a fucking gall bladder" diet and I have oily stools when I eat high fat, and it is hard to be 21 and single and be able to eat well. I try to cook like I've learned from my mom when I was young, but I just don't have the resources. I eat homemade spaghetti twice a week, macaroniandcheesewithhamburgerinit, once a week or so, and various little shit the rest of the week. Not healthy, and I don't eat very often, but being a slave to the corprorate world, that's all I can afford.

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All I know is for the first 8 years of my life I was forced to eat McDonald's at least 3 times a week, a peanut butter sandwich and chips for lunch, and a pop tart for breakfast. Sometimes bologna made it's way in there, and spaghettio's cans were the majority of our recycling bin.

I guess I just wish there were more resources out there for people on hard times to be able to feed their families better. It's hard for a broke mom to buy her kid an apple for a snack every day of the week for 1.29 a pound (equaling around 5-6$ for the whole week) when an entire bag of chips costs $1.50.

Al Crapone's picture
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LBK, what happened to your gall bladder? You are way too young to be suffering without!

And I agree, it's a bitch to cook well for 1 or 2 people. If you're gonna straight-up cook it's expensive and you have to make too much food to get a meal out (thus giving you many nasty leftovers), or you don't cook and just eat salads and sandwiches all the time. After a week or so of this you say fuck it and go for the unhealthy take-out. Conundrum

Leaky Bowel King's picture
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I had my gall bladder taken out jan 2, 2007 and at the time they took it out, it was the size of a grape fruit and about six pounds. It should be the size of a walnut or less. It also had a lot of scar tissue, so the doctor concluded that starting when I was 17 I began having chronic inflammation of my gall bladder, which is when I started having my diarrhea problems. But when it really affected me is when I got to college, and could only eat once a day, which just happened to be two small microwavealbe chicken sandwiches, and was running and working out all the time. But I couldn't pass my pt test because I'd shit my guts out not even a mile into the run. So they took it out. It's been two years, but my body still isn't coping very well, even tho I can afford to eat good food now.
As for the mackie d's all the time, when I was a kid, iit was a treat to go out to eat with my parents cuz we didn't do it but once a week. But my best friend's mom never cooked and they always ate out. Luckily, my mom was a professional housewife, who also had a job, and we were poor, but she made sure we always had food to eat. So I guess I was lucky. Thing is, she cooked an army's worth of food for four people so I only know how to cook big, so when I make spaghetti or burritoes it's like. Three days worth of food. I use about ten pounds of hamburger meat a week, and I'm slowly gettin my girl friend into eating chicken and pork chops and what not.

pnuttycorn's picture
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LBK, I had my gall bladder out in 92. Mine didn't work right.It took me awhile to adjust too, but you will. My problem was after it was removed, my stomach would slowly fill with bile, instead of it emptying out at once when I would eat, which is how a normal gall bladder works. After my stomach would get a certain amount of bile in it, I would have this INTENSE pain, as worse as when I had the damn thing still in me. I would have to eat something PRONTO, or I would be literally rolling around on the floor. But as time went by, my tummy learned to cope. I hope yours does too.

daphne's picture
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I think the trick to salads is to make really good ones. I use tons of baby spinach, red leaf, romaine, and some iceburg. Good tomatoes, cucumbers with the seeds and skins taken off, red onion soaked in water to get rid of the acidy milk, and lots and lots fo garbanzo beans. Tossed in olive oil, then garlic, red wine vinegar, salt, pepper, and sesame seeds. If it's a good salad with good oil, it doesn't seem like, well, salad.

Lolita, I can't tell you how many kids I've babysat over the years who wouldn't eat good food. I've had kids brought to me with Ramen in their diaper bags. Srsly, lolcat. With some of them, "turning" them towards decent food seemed to be because their parents didn't cook well - they'd eat a freshly-steamed, partially al dente piece of broccoli and continue.

Here's the craziness to it, though. I complain about the price of good food, but every year I forgo growing a garden. God I'm stupid. This year I swear!


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For many people, what we eat is a choice. We don't have to order the fattening stuff, and we don't have to buy the short cut fattening stuff at the grocery. I understand, there are some people who can't help it, but it can't be a majority. I can't see blaming corporate giants for what we eat. They just make it available; it's not compulsory.

I think one of the main problems is that so few people cook for themselves any more. We do at my house; we never get "prepared" meals. We buy fresh fruits, veggies, and meat, and prepare them at home. It takes a little time, but it's fun and companionable, and it does save money. We eat out once a week at most, more likely twice a month; and then we go usually either Mexican or Chinese, both of which have lots of veggies in the meal. No Mickey D's, no BK, no TacoB, none of that unless we're on a (rare) out-of-town trip and can't find anything else.

It's a choice we make. If we blame corporations for our own habits, pretty soon someone who thinks like that will get into a position of regulating what we eat. No, thanks; I prefer making my own decisions (see my post on a Senate hearing, several months back).

Just to take us back to the "main menu" of the site, that choice also affects what and how we poop. Healthy diet often yields healthy poop; today's feast yields tomorrow's feces.

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Thanks MSG for reminding us that we can't blame "the corporations" for making junk food available. I'm not entirely sure what the prices are like in the US, but they can't be much different from what they are like here. And while, yes, a pack of cheap hotdogs is cheaper than good meat, and a bag of french fries is cheaper than a bag of potatoes, it really isn't more expensive to cook healthy meals if you are dedicated to doing so, buy fruits / veg that are in season and grown locally, use alternatives to meat (beans etc), and eat meat, cheese and fish in moderation. Because really, when I do groceries, the most expensive items are my "fancy", not local fruits and veg (pomegranates, artichokes, etc), the meats and the cheeses.

I mean really, a big onion, a few carrots, some celery, a zucchini, some spinach, a few peppers and some mushrooms, and a couple cans of crushed tomatoes, and a can of kidney beans or a pound of lean ground turkey will make a big, inexpensive, healthy pot of spaghetti sauce that will last many meals. Throw in a small amount of wild rice or whole grain pasta and you have filling, healthy meals for many days.

Blind Mullet's picture
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Well, I guess its time I put my two cents worth in (even though Australia doesn't have one-cent or two-cent pieces any more).
Not being a poof, I am therefore not much of a cook, either, but I'm willing to give it a go from time to time (cooking, that is).
It all started when Mrs. Mullet was in hozzie for a while, and I had to cook for my two boys. I found that following recipes is for girls (and pillow biters), and its pretty easy to make things that are healthy and pass the Teenage Son Taste Test.
My secret? Chili. Cook up any kind of meat dish, sprinkle dried chili all over it, throw in some Tabasco sauce (or this stuff called HP sauce), bake a few veggies and serve with a beer.
I started making spag-bog with chili in it, shepherd's pie with chili in it, hell, I even cooked a fish and put chili on it. I named everything with chili in it "add name here"-surprise. It didn't take the kids long to realise that the word 'surprise' simply meant 'with bloody chili in it".
I think they were glad when Mum came home....

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BM, I thought the only kind of cooking that heterosexual Aussie males do is on the barbie. Surely anything else, no matter what, is for girls and poofs.

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Leaky Bowel King's picture
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Sounds like my grandfathers cooking after my grandmother died: chili, chili burritoes, chili breakfast burritoes, chili and rice, chli hamburgers, chili and chips, and many many more. I didn't know chili was so versatile.

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Sorry, Tb, I forgot to mention that it was all cooked on the barbie!
I should also mention that the meal never turns out right unless the cook has an ample supply of "cookin' fluid" (beer).
The purpose of cookin' fluid is to keep the cook from dehydratin'.
Or soberin' up.
...and Scotch & Coke makes pretty good cookin' fluid, too!

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BM, a couple questions. How do you keep the chili from falling through the barbie grate? As fast as I pour it on, it's in the coals. Do I need to drink more beer to make it work? Do I need to set up my grill in the southern hemisphere?

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Ah, pd, I think the American concept of the barbie may be a little different to the Aussie one. Y'see, for many years it was considered un-manly to own a shop-bought barbie. Real men build their own out of scrap steel plate (1/4" checker plate is good, but use it checker-side down), and it was traditional to fire it with wood, but since so many boneheads managed to set fire to themselves, and start bushfires in the process) the Govt. introduced Total Fire Bans. Now, most barbies are gas-fired, even though its considered by the true traditionalists to be borderline gay.
Surely there are some steel-plate barbies in the US?

...and yep, the more beer you drink, the better it works!

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Hope you washed your hands before you served the old ladies
PDB

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Great story! At first I was thinking of getting some Alli pills for my wife -- although she thinks she's heavy I don't care -- for her high cholesterol. That two-sticks-of-butter recipe sounds familiar..

But then I was thinking maybe I won't get the pills for her... I don't want to end up as the 2nd messy stain on the bathroom wall!

ChiliKahKah's picture
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Glad you did not have a whole order of biscuits and sausage gravy !

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Omg! You are too funny!I laughed the whole time reading this. I was supposed to be starting alli soon butter um...I'll pass. I don't feel like shitting all day long, because I know I wonn't be eating right. LOL!

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RE: leaky bowel king

Calling a chubby girl "thick" and the "proper size" is not doing her any favors. You should encourage her on her commitment to better health and a better body instead of trying to comfort her with the "real girls have curves" cop-out.

Just because the majority of women are overweight and just because chunky is the norm does not mean it's perfectly fine to be a fatty...unless you WANT women to keep having self esteem issues and health problems related to obesity,

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Poop-pincher:

Real girls do have curves. They're due to GENETICS. I have a best friend who hikes twenty miles a week and wears size 18 pants. She has a masters degree, and she hikes with her boyfriend, who is on the Mt. Baker Rescue Team, and she still is a size 18 pant.

She's just a big girl.

Why should anyone encourage anyone else to join a health club when the person in question might be perfectly healthy, even though that person might be also outside the current, standard, norm?

Your post hits home with me because I've been a size 18 to a size 2 over the course of twenty years. And yet, during all that time, my IQ has remained the same.

During that time, I've been treated either well or poorly specifically dependant on my body size, even though my brain has stayed the same.

You are part of the problem.

It may not be "fine" to be a fatty, but it certainly is better than being someone who sees the outside of someone else and stops thinking.

Our society is fat right now because we have a grocery shelf mafia of high fructose corn syrup, hydrogenated vegetable oil, and many other aliases of these two criminals. We have a country that cannot afford to buy fruit, healthy meat, or vegetables, because the Coke, General Mills, and Kraft mafia finds it easy to round out everyone else who sells decent food.

When's the last time you looked at your toothpaste shelving? Colgate, Crest. How much space left for Rembrandt?

If you have such a fatty hate, aim it in the right direction. Write a letter to Congress. Address the Senate. Do something. Just promise me that this will be the end of your fury. If your so-called passion ends here, then well, whatever.

Let my addressing your apatheticism push you towards some real action.

Please.


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Blind Mullet's picture
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...apatheticism?
I was going to join the local branch of the Apathy Party, but I couldn't be bothered...
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Thank you - Apathy.

Where would I be without you always taking the time to correct my posts, Mullet?


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ChiliKahKah's picture
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Sounds like a special kind of hot fudge sundae !

poop-pincher's picture

Daphne:

I never mentioned IQ once. Never, not once ever.

If you insist that size 20 girls are "curvy" because of "GENETICS," then you are ignoring basic science and biology: if you can manipulate your bodyweight and shape with diet and exercise as you yourself have done, then body weight and composition has less to do with genetics and more to do with environmental conditions...

More specifically, genetics play a big part in skin color and height but they have nothing to do with how much food you stick in your mouth and how little you exercise.

Regarding your fluffy friend who hikes 20 miles a week and is still obese, you fail to mention that hiking only burns about as many calories as walking. Although it is impressive to say your friend hikes 20 miles a week, you should also realize your friend is only burning roughly 3,500 calories a week, or averaging 500 calories per day. If your friend eats more calories than she burns off, it doesn't matter if your friend walks 100 miles each day... In the end she'll still be "curvy" and have self-esteem issues and hate the way she looks in the mirror. I am sure she is quick to mention the fact that she hikes 20 miles a week, but I bet she would be hesitant to keep a food journal and tell you exactly how many calories she consumes each day.

It's not Kraft's fault your friend is obese. It's not Colgate's or high-fructose corn syrup's fault your friend is obese either. It's your friend's fault she's obese and nobody elses. The sooner she accepts the fact that she's in control of her body and that she's not the victim of some evil corporate giant or genetic caos, the sooner she can lose weight and feel good about about the way she looks in the mirror without having to lie to herself.

Instead of lecturing me as the idiot fatty-hater you take me for and only agreeing with people who agree with you and ignoring basic metabolic and biological facts, you should at the very least proofread your arguments to make sure they make sense. You shouldn't expect to win an intellegent argument based simply on passionate ignorance.

P.S. You are not doing your friend any favors by consoling her and telling her that its ok to be overweight and that she's beautiful the way she is and all that other nonsense women tell each other to feel good about themselves. In the real world men don't fantasize about size 20 women, period.

Stew Brown's picture
m 1+ points - Newb

poop-pincher, the only problem with your argument is that your facts are pulled from your ass. 20 miles of hiking per week would hardly burn only 3,500 calories. Try one of these calculators for a mere 150lb person and be enlightened.

http://preventdisease.com/healthtools/articles/while_walking.html

http://calorielab.com/burned/

You also can't say there is no possible way that genetics are involved in obesity.

http://www.cdc.gov/genomics/training/perspectives/files/obesedit.htm

There aren't any studies that having empathy can make you obese or not, but lack of empathy for another person makes you look like a complete ass.

poop-pincher's picture

Stew-brown:

I'm sorry that you think that I'm an ass, but my apathy prevents me from doing anything about it.

Unfortunately, I have to point out that you have the same problem as Daphne in that you both wan't to blame genetics for a behavior problem (over-eating and not exercising is a bevavior problem, not a genetic problem).

There is no doubt genetics play some role in weight management (controlling metabolism rates and whatnot), but to the degree that most people attribute to it is absurd. Genetics has become the catch-all scapegoat boogeyman of today's obesity epidemic.

As far as calories burned while hiking, I stand corrected. Hiking does indeed burn more calories than walking.

However, my point is still valid in that you can still gain weight or not lose weight if you consume more calories than you burn off.

The only logical conclusions you can draw from the pudgy 20-mile hiker is that:

1.) She eats far, far too much, or
2.) She's lying about hiking 20 miles per week.

Or she might have some kind of health problem like an underactive thyroid... But if she has a thyroid problem other serious health condition she probably wouldn't be hiking so much.

ChiefThunderbutt's picture
PoopReport of the Year AwardComment Content ModeratorComment Quality Moderatorf 5000+ points

poop-pincher.....I am an insulin resistant diabetic and obese. Insulin resistance often leads to obesity. The chemical reactions within our bodies are still mostly a mystery although doctors are slowly beginning to understand some of them. The person who eats to much often has little control over their appetite. It may very well require 20 times the will power as that required by a normal person. I have fought with my weight for over sixty years. On the bright side when the food runs out I will probably live longer than you and perhaps be around when the food supply continues again. Don't criticize others until you have walked in their shoes for a while. I trust my doctors opinion much more than yours.


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ChiliKahKah's picture
j 1000+ points

This would be a heck of a combination with biscuits and gravy ! I remember a place called Skeeter's Big Biscuits. Alli and that breakfast would have been a winner !

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